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		<title>Changing assumptions</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Change an assumption and save the world. &#8212; Heinz von Foerster, 1970 Quoted after Paul Schröder who 2009-11-14 at the Heinz von Foerster Congress 09 said he found this quote several times in his notes.]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Change an assumption<br />
and save the world.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">&#8212; Heinz von Foerster, 1970</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Quoted after Paul Schröder who 2009-11-14 at the <a href="http://www.univie.ac.at/hvfcongress/" target="_blank">Heinz von Foerster Congress 09</a> said he found this quote several times in his notes.</p>
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		<title>Perception of order</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At several occasions, Heinz von Foerster presented a numerical sequence which, in a modesty, I shall call &#8220;Heinz von Foerster&#8217;s sequence&#8221;. Given the numbers 0, 1, 2, 3 &#8230; up to 9 how would you complete the following ordered sequence: 8 &#8212; 5 &#8212; 4 &#8212; 9 &#8212; 1 &#8212; &#8230; If you prefer to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At several occasions, <a title="The Heinz von Foerster Page (by Alexander Riegler)" href="http://www.univie.ac.at/constructivism/HvF.htm" target="_blank">Heinz von Foerster</a> presented a numerical sequence which, in a modesty, I shall call &#8220;Heinz von Foerster&#8217;s sequence&#8221;. Given the numbers 0, 1, 2, 3 &#8230; up to 9 how would you complete the following ordered sequence:</p>
<blockquote><p>8 &#8212; 5 &#8212; 4 &#8212; 9 &#8212; 1 &#8212; &#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>If you prefer to read about the riddle in detail have a look into Heinz von Foerster&#8217;s article &#8220;<a title="PDF version, 1.3 MB" href="http://grace.evergreen.edu/~arunc/texts/cybernetics/heinz/perception.pdf" target="_blank">Perception of the future and the future of perception</a>&#8221; published in Instructional Science 1 (1972) 2: p31-43.</p>
<p>Here is a variant of &#8220;Heinz von Foerster&#8217;s sequence&#8221;, again for numbers 0 to 9:</p>
<blockquote><p>8 &#8212; 3 &#8212; 1 &#8212; 5 &#8212; 9 &#8212; &#8230;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Symbols don&#8217;t lie</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The portal of the St. Marx cemetery (Friedhof St. Marx) shows a hexagram, well known as Star of David. Yet, I was told that this hexagram was (and still is) not meant as a Jewish symbol. Interestingly, a number of gravestones there show six-pointed stars which some consider variations of hexagrams. Though, I found one [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a target="_blank" title="See my gallery for more of it" href="http://sewer.schamanek.net/gallery/v/miscelly/st_marx_cemetery/st_marx_tor_davidstern.jpg.html"><img align="right" alt="Hexagram of St. Marx cemetery's portal" title="Hexagram of St. Marx cemetery's portal" style="margin-left: 2em; margin-bottom: 1em" src="/pix/st_marx_portal_hexagram.jpg" /></a>The portal of the <a target="_blank" title="Wikipedia's entry about St. Marx cemetery" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Marx_cemetery">St. Marx cemetery</a> (<a target="_blank" title="German Wikipedia's entry of Friedhof St. Marx" href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankt_Marxer_Friedhof">Friedhof St. Marx</a>) shows a <a target="_blank" title="Wikipedia on Hexagram" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram">hexagram</a>, well known as <a target="_blank" title="Wikipedia on the Star of David" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David">Star of David</a>. Yet, I was told that this hexagram was (and still is) not meant as a Jewish symbol.</p>
<p>Interestingly, a number of <a target="_blank" title="Some photos of gravestones of St. Marx" href="http://sewer.schamanek.net/gallery/v/miscelly/st_marx_cemetery/">gravestones there</a> show six-pointed stars which some consider variations of hexagrams. Though, I found one engraving showing a <a target="_blank" title="Gravestone with hexagram and 6-star" href="http://sewer.schamanek.net/gallery/v/miscelly/st_marx_cemetery/grabstein_davidstern.jpg.html">six-pointed star within a hexagram</a>.</p>
<p>What is part of a symbol?</p>
<p>One of Heinz von Foerster&#8217;s favorite symbols was the <a target="_blank" title="Wikipedia on Ouroboros" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros">Ouroboros</a>. (Von Foerster often used a variation where <a target="_blank" title="Photo of 2 Ouroboros by SeanO" href="http://ouroboros.tribe.net/photos/0e928534-4a30-47b0-b3f0-92db90020b28">2 snakes devour each other&#8217;s tail</a>.)</p>
<p><img align="left" style="margin: 0pt 2em 1em 0pt" alt="Ouroboros as used by Heinz von Foerster" title="Ouroboros as used by Heinz von Foerster" src="/pix/ouroboros_hvf.png" />At the St. Marx cemetery some <a target="_blank" title="Gravestone with Ouroboros, photo by Andreas Schamanek" href="http://sewer.schamanek.net/gallery/v/miscelly/st_marx_cemetery/gravestone_ouroboros.jpg.html">gravestones carry Ouroboros</a>, many with an <a target="_blank" title="Ouroboros with arrow (an a gravestone)" href="http://sewer.schamanek.net/gallery/v/miscelly/st_marx_cemetery/gravestone_ouroboros_arrow.jpg.html">arrow</a> pointing from left to right.</p>
<p>Are symbols just symbols?</p>
<p>I vividly feel as if I was an <a title="Ouroboros on fire, by rattus rattus" href="/120/ouroboros" target="_self">Ouroboros on fire</a>.</p>
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		<title>Trust not truth</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heinz von Foerster shares with us a beautiful riddle about trust and truth. When I wrote about it my working title was &#8220;Trust not truth&#8221;. I was thinking this title forth and back because one of my inner voices kept yelling something like &#8220;You can&#8217;t say one shall not trust the truth if Heinz von [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heinz von Foerster shares with us <a title="The problem is not truth by rattus rattus" href="/34/trust-not-truth" target="_self">a beautiful riddle about trust and truth</a>. When I wrote about it my working title was &#8220;Trust not truth&#8221;. I was thinking this title forth and back because one of my inner voices kept yelling something like &#8220;You can&#8217;t say one shall not trust the truth if Heinz von Foerster clearly shows that truth <em>is</em> based on trust. I mean, what else could we do but <em>trust</em> the truth?<br />
Trust not truth is nonsense. Put it in your <a title="The Nonsense Box, by rattus rattus" href="/11/the-nonsense-box" target="_self">Nonsense Box</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>I did see that &#8220;trust not truth&#8221; can be read in many ways, too. One being &#8220;trust &#8212; not truth&#8221;. Yet, I eventually changed the title to &#8220;The problem is not truth&#8221; as if this was any less nonsense. But, I could always say it&#8217;s a quote of a quote of a quote <img src='http://blog.rats.at/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  That&#8217;s why.</p>
<p>So, the problem is trust &#8212; not truth.<br />
And this is the truth.</p>
<p>What? You mean there is probably more to it? You mean <em>trust not truth</em>? &#8212; Oh, yes, you got me on this one &#8217;cause I am a liar.</p>
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		<title>The problem is not truth</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 01:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a wonderful quote by Heinz von Foerster that I first learned about at a workshop in April 1991 in Vienna where he presented it in his opening talk: The problem is not truth, the problem is trust. This is a very riddle. One can read it in many ways, and every time I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a wonderful quote by Heinz von Foerster that I first learned about at a workshop in April 1991 in Vienna where he presented it in his opening talk:</p>
<blockquote><p>The problem is not truth,<br />
the problem is trust.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a very <a title="Riddles by rattus rattus" href="/cat/riddles" target="_self">riddle</a>. One can read it in many ways, and every time I look at it it&#8217;s likely to tell me another story. I am most thankful to Heinz von Foerster that he suggested 2 things for reading this riddle: Look up the words in an etymological dictionary, and &#8230; silence. He just looked into my eyes and smiled.</p>
<p>May I invite you to see for yourselves. Here is the quote with links to the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.etymonline.com/">Online Etymology Dictionary</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The <a title="Etymology of problem" target="_blank" href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=problem">problem</a> is not <a title="Etymology of truth and true" target="_blank" href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=true">truth</a>,<br />
the problem is <a title="Etymology of trust" target="_blank" href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=trust">trust</a>.</p></blockquote>
<p>In an opening address for a conference in 1990, see &#8220;<a title="ethics and second-order cybernetics (1990) by Heinz von Foerster" target="_blank" href="http://www.stanford.edu/group/SHR/4-2/text/foerster.html">ethics and second-order cybernetics</a>&#8220;, Heinz von Foerster tells a story about the origin of the quote.</p>
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